How Many White Hot Stamper Pressings Are Out There?

What’s the Big Idea?

Our good customer Aaron recently wrote to us about the concept of records with one set of stampers that always wins shootouts. Most of the discussion involves a lot of “inside baseball” stamper talk which may be of little interest to some of you.

Stamper numbers and shootouts are pretty much all we do here at Better Records, so I was happy to take the time to speculate about aspects of both. There are more than 100 commentaries about mastering on the blog for those who may be interested in digging deeper.

As always, we encourage audiophiles to be more skeptical about anything and everything they may think they know about records.

Aaron writes:

I’m pretty obsessed with your “one stamper wins” section. What a fascinating phenomenon. Having compared notes with Bill, I know that sometimes different stampers DO win. This leads me to wonder, how many white hot stampers are out there?

Across all the titles you do, what’s the range? I think it could be a few dozen for some titles, and a few thousand for others. Would love to hear your thoughts.

My long-winded reply as well as my answers to further questions:

You’re asking how many actual physical pressings exist with White Hot Stampers? On both sides, way fewer. Our Top Shelf (3+/3+) section had four listings in it recently. White Hots number more than 90.

Still, there would be hundreds at a minimum for a record that sold well, and thousands or tens of thousands for a record that sold really well.

Think of Zep II, 100,000 cut by RL. In our shootout from 2024, we had four copies and 2 of them earned 3+ and two of them either 2.5+ or 2+.

Are there 5000 left in playable shape? Seems possible. Half of them will have at least one 3+ side. That makes 2500.

But only if you clean them right. Without good cleaning, cut that number by 90%, leaving 250 tops. How many have been cleaned properly? A hundred? That is a pretty small number of 3+ records!

I got to wondering – is it really a STAMPER that’s hot, do you think? I know there’s no shortcut around actually listening to the record. But, it is still fun to ponder. It could be just a few specific records pressed from that stamper that have a shot at winning. Or, it could be a mother (engendering many stampers) that wins.

It could be a lacquer that always wins. It could even be a mastering engineer and pressing house that always wins. For example, Ludwig’s mastering of Zep 2 can generate white hot stampers across a variety of pressing houses, and a variety of lacquers.

I’ve had the wonderful privilege of hearing three Zep 2 White Hot stampers now – MO, SP, and I think CTH. My MO kills them all, but the others are every bit a WHS.

And my stereo or my ears might prefer SP or CTH. I myself have listened to two different white hot Zep II’s and noted how different they were in so many ways. I don’t think I could say that any single copy could ever do everything right as long as you had enough shootout winners to play.

At the other end of the spectrum, I know you say one stamper exists for CSN, and it’s even more scarce than Zep 2. So we could be talking like a few thousand records that were ever even pressed with that stamper, let alone the condition they are in today.

Yes, trade-offs are an unavoidable reality as well as an incontrovertible fact when it comes to the variations in the sound of different pressings. We have a new section devoted to just such issues.

As for the record you site, more than a few thousand of that specific version of CSN’s first album would have been pressed, probably ten to twenty thousand would be my guess. That would be enough to keep the bins stocked for many years. It’s just a guess though.

So, “hot stamper” is a bit of a misnomer, isn’t it? Could be just a handful of records that actually sound WHS-level, especially after ~50 years of being out in the wild.

So, depending on what exactly was hot, we are talking potentially a handful of actual records that could earn WHS status, up to perhaps several thousand out there. Again, no shortcuts around the method, but I do wonder how large the quarry is.

Well, the main point I would make is that of course the record has to be mastered well, and the lacquers have to be good, then plated well, then stampers pulled, and not too many before the stampers are worn out.

So the stampers are the real clue that you can actually look for, and then the shootout lets you know how each copy with that set of stampers did — how good it actually sounded on each side.

Hard to believe, but there is actually more to this letter. We are saving it for Part Two because Part One is already getting to be a bit too long.

Thanks for writing,

Best, TP

Further Reading

Commodores – Natural High

More of the Music of Commodores

  • This vintage Motown pressing boasts outstanding Double Plus (A++) sound from start to finish – exceptionally quiet vinyl too
  • Spacious, full-bodied and Tubey Magical with a solid bottom end and driving rhythmic energy, this is the right sound for this music
  • “… even if ‘Three Times a Lady’ isn’t your cup of tea, Natural High still has a lot to offer R&B fans. ‘X-Rated Movie,’ ‘Such a Woman,’ and ‘I Like What You Do’ are exhilarating examples of hardcore funk, and those who appreciate artists like Heatwave and the Brothers Johnson will find a lot to admire about ‘Fire Girl’ and ‘Flying High’ (both of which are sleek examples of the sophisticated funk style).”

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Frank Sinatra – Ol’ Blue Eyes Is Back

More of the Music of Frank Sinatra

  • Ol’ Blue Eyes Is Back debuts on the site with a KILLER Shootout Winning Triple Plus (A+++) side one mated to a solid Double Plus (A++) side two
  • On a copy this good, Frank will appear as living, breathing (albeit disembodied) person right in your very own listening room – we call that “the breath of life,” and this record has it in spades
  • “Frank Sinatra returned from his brief retirement in 1973 with the appropriately titled Ol’ Blue Eyes Is Back. Released amidst a whirlwind of publicity, the album was a commercial success, earning gold status and nearly climbing its way into the Top Ten…. ‘Send in the Clowns’ and the moving ‘There Used to Be a Ballpark,’ both featuring sublime, subtle arrangements from Gordon Jenkins and outstanding singing by Sinatra.”

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Kenny Dorham – Quiet Kenny

Hot Stamper Blue Note Albums Available Now

  • You’ll find solid Double Plus (A++) sound throughout this New Jazz recording pressed on exceptionally quiet OJC vinyl
  • It’s tubier, more transparent, more dynamic, with plenty of that “jumpin’ out of the speakers” quality that you won’t find on the average pressing
  • We guarantee there is dramatically more richness, fullness and presence on this copy than anything you have ever heard, and that’s especially true if you made the mistake of buying whatever godawful Heavy Vinyl pressing is currently on the market (which you can find discussed later on in the body of this listing)
  • 4 1/2 stars: “Cool and understated might be better watchwords for what the ultra-melodic Dorham achieves on this undeniably well crafted set of standards and originals that is close to containing his best work overall during a far too brief career.”

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Everybody Knows that 1s Should Beat 2s Should Beat 3s, Right?

Hot Stamper Pressings of Living Stereo Recordings Available Now

In the case of this mystery Living Stereo title, the conventional wisdom holding that the original first pressings (1s) will most likely have sound superior to the higher-numbered pressings (2s) turns out to be right.

Below you will see the complete stamper sheet for a shootout we did recently. Note that the album you see pictured is not the record we did the shootout for.

We are not revealing what record had these stampers and earned these grades for the simple reason that we rarely if ever give out the specific information that identifies the best sounding pressing of any album.

Sometimes we do though. To see the titles whose Shootout Winning stampers have been revealed, please click here. The list we’ve compiled to date is short but more are coming.

The sound of 3s with the Red Label was lean and dry on both the copies we played. This was surprising as the stampers are quite low: 3s/3s.

Many RCA chamber recordings can be dry, and if one owned a nice early stamper pressing of the album with lean, dry sound, one might conclude that this RCA is just another chamber recording with those shortcomings.

But one would be wrong, because the 1s stamper Shootout Winner sounded amazing, not dry or lean in the least.

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Coltrane’s Sound – A Very Good Reissue by Bernie Grundman

Hot Stamper Pressings of the Music of John Coltrane Available Now

UPDATE 2026

This review For Coltrane’s Sound on Rhino Records was written in 2021.

Sonic Grade: B+ (at least)

This is one of the better sounding Heavy Vinyl pressings we have played recently.

What makes it different from so many others that fail to live up to the remastering hype that surrounds them? (And regularly irritates the hell out of those of us who actually know what a good record actually sounds like.)

  • It’s tonally correct from top to bottom. At most five or ten per cent of the audiophile repressings we’ve played in the last ten years can make that claim.
  • The bass is not boosted or poorly defined. This eliminates at a minimum 98+% of all the Mobile Fidelity pressings we have ever played. Nobody seems to notice how bad the bass is on their records. A real puzzler, that fact.
  • It’s not exceptionally veiled or recessed. I could count on the fingers of one hand the number of Heavy Vinyl pressings that are not far too veiled and recessed to compete with their vintage vinyl brethren.

It is slightly veiled, and lacks some of the life, the space and obviously some of the presence of the real thing, the real thing in this case being an early stereo pressing on the Blue and Green Atlantic label.

Still, for your money you are getting a helluva good record.

One of the top two or three Rhino records to date.

(Bernie did a great job on this Coltrane album, but whatever you do, don’t waste your money on his recut of Lush Life. It is just plain awful, an audiophile hall of shame pressing that’s so bad it defies understanding. Something sure went wrong somewhere, I can tell you that. Stay tuned for my review.)

• Lacquers cut by Bernie Grundman
• LPs cut from the original analog masters
• Packages replicated to the finest detail manufactured with more care than ever

Our Previous Hot Stamper Commentary for Coltrane’s Sound

This is yet another superb Tom Dowd recording of Coltrane in his prime, with support from the brilliant McCoy Tyner and Elvin Jones.

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Gil Evans – Into the Hot

More Jazz Recordings of Interest

  • Into the Hot debuts on the site with INSANELY GOOD Shootout Winning Triple Plus (A+++) grades on both sides of this vintage ABC Impulse pressing
  • A tough shootout, as no other copy earned a 3+ grade on either side, which simply means that when you find a top copy, it sets such a high standard that everything else ends up getting marked down
  • These sides are big and rich, with loads of Tubey Magic, wonderful transparency and lots of space around the players
  • Exceptionally spacious and three-dimensional, as well as relaxed and full-bodied – this pressing was a big step up over every other copy we played

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Beethoven & Kodaly / Serenade & Duo / Heifetz, Piatigorsky

Hot Stamper Pressings Featuring the Violin

  • Solid Double Plus (A++) grades or BETTER bring these two wonderful chamber pieces to life on this early Shaded Dog pressing of LSC-2550
  • It’s also fairly quiet at Mint Minus Minus, a grade that even our most-well-cared-for vintage classical titles have trouble playing at
  • The Living Stereo sound is rich and transparent and, unlike a lot of RCA’s chamber recordings, not dry, with tonality that is right on the money
  • The performers are present and the transients of their instruments are not in the least bit smeared, vintage tubes or no vintage tubes in the recording chain

The performers on this recording are Heifetz, violin / Primrose, viola / Piatigorsky, cello.

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In 2008 We Had a Lot More R&D Ahead of Us

Hot Stamper Pressings of the Music of Led Zeppelin Available Now

A classic example of live and learn. In 2008 we had simply not done our homework properly.

Keep in mind that I had been an audiophile for at least 33 years by that date, and a professional audiophile record dealer for 21. Had a pretty nice rig back then too. However, in all those years, I and my staff had never been able to crack the code for Zep III.

Sure, by 2008 we had auditioned plenty of the pressings that we thought were the most likely to sound good: the original and later domestic pressings, the early and later British LPs, some early and later German pressings, maybe a Japanese import or two. In other words, the usual suspects.

We already knew how bad sounding the Classic Records Heavy Vinyl was; no need to put that in a shootout. It earned an “F” right out of the gate for its bright and harsh sound.

The result? We were roughly in the same position as most serious record collecting audiophiles, if not actually in a better one: who do you know that has played at least ten different pressings of Led Zeppelin III, or any other album for that matter?

We had auditioned a number pressings of the album and thought we knew enough about the sound to pick a winner. We thought the best original British Plum and Orange label pressings had the goods that no other copies could or would have. (Years later we would get hold of another one, clean it up and put it in a shootout.)

But of course, like most audiophiles who judge records with an insufficiently large sample size, we turned out to be  mistaken.

Logic simply hadn’t worked.

None of the originals would end up winning another shootout once we’d discovered the right reissues.

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Grant Green – Am I Blue

More Jazz Recordings Featuring the Guitar

  • Green’s 1964 release, here with very good Hot Stamper grades on both sides of this vintage Blue Note pressing
  • It’s richer, fuller and with more presence than the average copy, and that’s especially true for whatever godawful Heavy Vinyl pressing is currently being foisted on an unsuspecting record buying public
  • This is true of even our lowest-priced, lowest-graded copies – they are guaranteed to sound much better than any pressing you can find on the market today, as well as any pressing you may already own
  • Feel free to explore whatever reissues might suit your fancy, but one pressing you should probably steer clear of is anything on the Music Matters label — they really made a mess of Grant’s Green Street album, so unless you have return privileges, you are asking for trouble buying any of their records
  • Rudy Van Gelder was masterful at this kind of spacious, low-distortion, dynamic, energetic sound

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